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		<title>By: Jez Liberty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jez Liberty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Dec 2011 13:57:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andrew - short answer: no.. But thanks for your contribution to the &quot;idea box&quot; ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andrew &#8211; short answer: no.. But thanks for your contribution to the &#8220;idea box&#8221; ;-)</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Dec 2011 04:02:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Have you done any studies on linear regression vs. moving averages? - Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have you done any studies on linear regression vs. moving averages? &#8211; Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Jez Liberty</title>
		<link>http://www.automated-trading-system.com/moving-median-better-indicator-than-moving-average/comment-page-1/#comment-1708</link>
		<dc:creator>Jez Liberty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Aug 2011 15:25:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting - never heard of KST before and just googled it - although I dont think there is any &quot;sure thing&quot; in trading ;-)
It is just an entry/exit signal though and it might be a good starting point, but only a small part of a complete system (I&#039;m of the opinion that the entry/exit signal is not the most important part of a system).
Thanks for the suggestion though. I might decided to check it out in a back-test..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting &#8211; never heard of KST before and just googled it &#8211; although I dont think there is any &#8220;sure thing&#8221; in trading ;-)<br />
It is just an entry/exit signal though and it might be a good starting point, but only a small part of a complete system (I&#8217;m of the opinion that the entry/exit signal is not the most important part of a system).<br />
Thanks for the suggestion though. I might decided to check it out in a back-test..</p>
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		<title>By: Ed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Aug 2011 11:34:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anyone have results orn on the KST (Know Sure Thing) oscillator?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anyone have results orn on the KST (Know Sure Thing) oscillator?</p>
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		<title>By: Jez Liberty</title>
		<link>http://www.automated-trading-system.com/moving-median-better-indicator-than-moving-average/comment-page-1/#comment-1545</link>
		<dc:creator>Jez Liberty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jul 2011 02:57:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael,
Thanks for dropping by and weighing in.
This is an old article indeed. I just re-read it and I agree with your point that robustness does not mean low variance. I actually think David Druz said that robust systems tend to be volatile.
Properly testing for robustness would be evaluating the system under slight variations as you mention:
- Robustness to future prices (the survival aspect)
- Robustness to internal changes (i.e. variation in system parameters)
- Robustness to external changes (i.e. variation in price data)
(see article on &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.automated-trading-system.com/robustness-definitions/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;types of robustness&lt;/a&gt;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael,<br />
Thanks for dropping by and weighing in.<br />
This is an old article indeed. I just re-read it and I agree with your point that robustness does not mean low variance. I actually think David Druz said that robust systems tend to be volatile.<br />
Properly testing for robustness would be evaluating the system under slight variations as you mention:<br />
- Robustness to future prices (the survival aspect)<br />
- Robustness to internal changes (i.e. variation in system parameters)<br />
- Robustness to external changes (i.e. variation in price data)<br />
(see article on <a href="http://www.automated-trading-system.com/robustness-definitions/" rel="nofollow">types of robustness</a>)</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Fox</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Fox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jul 2011 21:53:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Late to the party, but I thought I&#039;d weigh in..

I see that you were a little uncertain what people mean by &quot;robustness&quot; in this context. Let me help.

Folks in signal processing like to use median filters. Consider for instance processing an image from a digital camera. We can take the data and use an MA filter, but this will just smooth out the image, making it blurry. Since the camera is digital the errors are pretty all or nothing. Dead pixels, as an example, can give black or white spots in the image. The image looks a lot better if you apply a median filter because this &quot;salt and pepper&quot; noise is replaced with median values from nearby pixels. This empirically looks good.

Robustness must always be in reference to some disturbance or uncertainty. One should not generalize to think of this as good for return or variance. Median is considered a robust estimator because it downplays the role of any specific data point, so a small set of erroneous or non-representative data won&#039;t skew results. Since you are using daily settle prices, these are already typically the average of the last few trades of the day. These &quot;outliers&quot; are thus very real and discarding them is essentially throwing away data.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Late to the party, but I thought I&#8217;d weigh in..</p>
<p>I see that you were a little uncertain what people mean by &#8220;robustness&#8221; in this context. Let me help.</p>
<p>Folks in signal processing like to use median filters. Consider for instance processing an image from a digital camera. We can take the data and use an MA filter, but this will just smooth out the image, making it blurry. Since the camera is digital the errors are pretty all or nothing. Dead pixels, as an example, can give black or white spots in the image. The image looks a lot better if you apply a median filter because this &#8220;salt and pepper&#8221; noise is replaced with median values from nearby pixels. This empirically looks good.</p>
<p>Robustness must always be in reference to some disturbance or uncertainty. One should not generalize to think of this as good for return or variance. Median is considered a robust estimator because it downplays the role of any specific data point, so a small set of erroneous or non-representative data won&#8217;t skew results. Since you are using daily settle prices, these are already typically the average of the last few trades of the day. These &#8220;outliers&#8221; are thus very real and discarding them is essentially throwing away data.</p>
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		<title>By: Milktrader</title>
		<link>http://www.automated-trading-system.com/moving-median-better-indicator-than-moving-average/comment-page-1/#comment-179</link>
		<dc:creator>Milktrader</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jan 2010 03:35:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The most intriguing element for me is looking at things a little differently. The basic logic behind MA crossovers remains intact, but you&#039;ve chosen to look at it differently. This time it didn&#039;t work, but I&#039;m convinced sooner or later it will. The trick is to balance imagination with craziness - I&#039;m definitely working on that part.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The most intriguing element for me is looking at things a little differently. The basic logic behind MA crossovers remains intact, but you&#8217;ve chosen to look at it differently. This time it didn&#8217;t work, but I&#8217;m convinced sooner or later it will. The trick is to balance imagination with craziness &#8211; I&#8217;m definitely working on that part.</p>
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		<title>By: Jez</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jan 2010 22:16:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great, Thanks! Will check that tomorrow
The MACD/MMDI filter on multiplee timeeframes is exactly the sort of things I have in mind...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great, Thanks! Will check that tomorrow<br />
The MACD/MMDI filter on multiplee timeeframes is exactly the sort of things I have in mind&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: david varadi</title>
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		<dc:creator>david varadi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jan 2010 22:10:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hi jez the link is http://cssanalytics.wordpress.com/2009/08/06/meanmedian-divergence-a-great-trend-indicator-part-1/  and it contains the formula and the indicator itself is available for free for tradestation on dvindicators.com

as a second note a multi time frame macd/mmdi may be useful to create a long/cash/short strategy whereby you enter in the direction of the long term using the short term indicator and you exit to cash with the short term indicator etc

keep up the good work.....the trend side of things is certainly under-researched
best
dv</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hi jez the link is <a href="http://cssanalytics.wordpress.com/2009/08/06/meanmedian-divergence-a-great-trend-indicator-part-1/" rel="nofollow">http://cssanalytics.wordpress.com/2009/08/06/meanmedian-divergence-a-great-trend-indicator-part-1/</a>  and it contains the formula and the indicator itself is available for free for tradestation on dvindicators.com</p>
<p>as a second note a multi time frame macd/mmdi may be useful to create a long/cash/short strategy whereby you enter in the direction of the long term using the short term indicator and you exit to cash with the short term indicator etc</p>
<p>keep up the good work&#8230;..the trend side of things is certainly under-researched<br />
best<br />
dv</p>
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		<title>By: Jez</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jan 2010 21:52:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks David!
Great idea regarding the MMDI. Especially since a concept i am considering is using a higher-timeframe MACD filter to enter trend following trades - ie go with the major trend only. If MMDI can be better at filtering noise out, that sounds like a perfect improvement!
I&#039;ll definitely give that a try. Do you have a link to a blog post of yours covering that by any chance?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks David!<br />
Great idea regarding the MMDI. Especially since a concept i am considering is using a higher-timeframe MACD filter to enter trend following trades &#8211; ie go with the major trend only. If MMDI can be better at filtering noise out, that sounds like a perfect improvement!<br />
I&#8217;ll definitely give that a try. Do you have a link to a blog post of yours covering that by any chance?</p>
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