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		<title>By: Jez</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jan 2010 12:41:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is quite counter-intuitive indeed that 2009 proved to be a bad year for trend followers where it &lt;i&gt;appeared&lt;/i&gt; that all markets trended very well... I have not done any detailed post-mortem analysis (yet...)

My assumption so far is that trend following can be geared to look at many different trend lengths which determine how you get affected by noise/reversals (and the resulting losses). Possibly CTA are trying to capture shorter-term trends and got caught up in &quot;chops&quot; at that level - whereas there did not seem to be any chops at a higher timeframe (e.g. MA Golden Cross 200/50).

This post-mortem is probably a good idea for a future post... This is also one of the main reasons why I want to create a State of Trend Following report (I know I keep talking about it!.. It&#039;ll be there, one day, soon). That report would have a few standard trend following strats, run with different trend/parameter lengths. This would hopefully give us more explanation as to why/how/where trend following CTAs produce the returns they do.

I have to admit that I was not following these performances so closely before I started the blog in September last year. 
However, I remember that back in November and December I could anticipate correctly (after the facts, ie after the month was over but before I checked performances) how the performance would roughly turn out, for example November had a big upside breakout for Gold and many related markets (and November was widely positive for these funds) while that trend reversed in December (which was pretty negative). Whereas if you look at a wider scale/larger timeframe, Gold has been going up most of the year... (giving away that I am bit of a Gold bug on the discretionary side of things ;-)


@milk - yes, I compiled that list myself based on all the prominent trend followers I have come across and whether I could find their reporting. For actual performance reporting I get the figures from the funds website or AutumnGold CTA database when available (&lt;a href=&quot;http://autumngold.com/Advisor/Statistics/cta_profile.php?op=profile?&amp;id=9094&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;example for Abraham Trading&lt;/a&gt;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is quite counter-intuitive indeed that 2009 proved to be a bad year for trend followers where it <i>appeared</i> that all markets trended very well&#8230; I have not done any detailed post-mortem analysis (yet&#8230;)</p>
<p>My assumption so far is that trend following can be geared to look at many different trend lengths which determine how you get affected by noise/reversals (and the resulting losses). Possibly CTA are trying to capture shorter-term trends and got caught up in &#8220;chops&#8221; at that level &#8211; whereas there did not seem to be any chops at a higher timeframe (e.g. MA Golden Cross 200/50).</p>
<p>This post-mortem is probably a good idea for a future post&#8230; This is also one of the main reasons why I want to create a State of Trend Following report (I know I keep talking about it!.. It&#8217;ll be there, one day, soon). That report would have a few standard trend following strats, run with different trend/parameter lengths. This would hopefully give us more explanation as to why/how/where trend following CTAs produce the returns they do.</p>
<p>I have to admit that I was not following these performances so closely before I started the blog in September last year.<br />
However, I remember that back in November and December I could anticipate correctly (after the facts, ie after the month was over but before I checked performances) how the performance would roughly turn out, for example November had a big upside breakout for Gold and many related markets (and November was widely positive for these funds) while that trend reversed in December (which was pretty negative). Whereas if you look at a wider scale/larger timeframe, Gold has been going up most of the year&#8230; (giving away that I am bit of a Gold bug on the discretionary side of things ;-)</p>
<p>@milk &#8211; yes, I compiled that list myself based on all the prominent trend followers I have come across and whether I could find their reporting. For actual performance reporting I get the figures from the funds website or AutumnGold CTA database when available (<a href="http://autumngold.com/Advisor/Statistics/cta_profile.php?op=profile?&amp;id=9094" rel="nofollow">example for Abraham Trading</a>)</p>
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		<title>By: Milktrader</title>
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		<dc:creator>Milktrader</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jan 2010 03:45:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did you compile this list yourself or is there a service that tracks this data? If I&#039;m not mistaken, 2008 was a stellar year for many CTAs  and it seems 2009 had similar large standard deviation price action so I&#039;m a bit surprised by the under-performance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did you compile this list yourself or is there a service that tracks this data? If I&#8217;m not mistaken, 2008 was a stellar year for many CTAs  and it seems 2009 had similar large standard deviation price action so I&#8217;m a bit surprised by the under-performance.</p>
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		<title>By: MarketSci</title>
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		<dc:creator>MarketSci</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jan 2010 03:38:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jez - we talked about this before, but I just don&#039;t understand how these trend-followers did so uniformly badly. 2009 was a tremendous opportunity for trend-followers to outperform. Everything (not just equities) went one way for a few months and then shifted and went the other way for the remainder of the year...in other words, there was no chop. 

I just can&#039;t wrap my head around this...any thoughts?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jez &#8211; we talked about this before, but I just don&#8217;t understand how these trend-followers did so uniformly badly. 2009 was a tremendous opportunity for trend-followers to outperform. Everything (not just equities) went one way for a few months and then shifted and went the other way for the remainder of the year&#8230;in other words, there was no chop. </p>
<p>I just can&#8217;t wrap my head around this&#8230;any thoughts?</p>
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		<title>By: Jimmy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jimmy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jan 2010 00:57:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the informative blog. Check out QIM, www.quantitative.com. They&#039;re not pure trend following, but manage over $6B and were up ~11% in 2009 for their flagship program.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the informative blog. Check out QIM, <a href="http://www.quantitative.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.quantitative.com</a>. They&#8217;re not pure trend following, but manage over $6B and were up ~11% in 2009 for their flagship program.</p>
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